Thanks for that Len , all the pics i've seen dont show the waiste belt , so didn't know if it was a padded belt or just strap . Can't find anyone that stocks them around here . Another pack i will be checking is the sitka , alot more dollars but has the ventilated back and padded waist belt and looks a bit more comfortable. Thanks for all the replys and i'll get in touch if i need some pics, Regrds ron