philski1 Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Has anyone found any decent night vision scopes? Are they worth the money? Has anyone tried the night vision attachment for use on your normal scope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncs Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 There was a big discussion on these not too long ago, Philski1. A quick search should find it for you - there was logs of good info from some knowledgeable blokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philski1 Posted December 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 thanks Duncs :0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
len Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 The cheaps ones are a waste of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Munky Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 What is cheap? < $2000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeansy Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 What is cheap?< $2000? for sure with out a doubt the NGV i use at work is valued at 4.5k thats just a 1x head mounted unit where the NWS at 4x is worth over 8k i cringe when i have to sign for the several sets every few months, every time i see the value next to each piece of kit it amazes me what the value on the outside would be considering gen 1 is 1960s aka vietnam and gen is early 80s and gen 3 entered service around the 90s the US is using up to gen 6 at the mo within its mil we only use 3-4 in our service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncs Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Just out of interest, what do you use them for, Matt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeansy Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Just out of interest, what do you use them for, Matt? duncs im navy and on patrol boats without getting into to much detail with our operations, we use nvg for night time operations, team insertions and cover for our boarding times not to mention a night capability for jet boats and many more plus a good way to sneak up to someone who is a sleep on watch pr who has just woken up who hasnt got their night vision yet but we use them every night for navigation lookouts and our night time bridge rifle , for us night vision is a frequently used piece of kit which we hold in high regard and along with our FLIR we have everything covered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalker Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 duncs im navy and on patrol boatswithout getting into to much detail with our operations, we use nvg for night time operations, team insertions and cover for our boarding times not to mention a night capability for jet boats and many more plus a good way to sneak up to someone who is a sleep on watch pr who has just woken up who hasnt got their night vision yet but we use them every night for navigation lookouts and our night time bridge rifle , for us night vision is a frequently used piece of kit which we hold in high regard and along with our FLIR we have everything covered Cool. Very cool. Keep our shores and fish safe mate, good on ya!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
len Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 duncs im navy and on patrol boatswithout getting into to much detail with our operations, we use nvg for night time operations, team insertions and cover for our boarding times not to mention a night capability for jet boats and many more plus a good way to sneak up to someone who is a sleep on watch pr who has just woken up who hasnt got their night vision yet but we use them every night for navigation lookouts and our night time bridge rifle , for us night vision is a frequently used piece of kit which we hold in high regard and along with our FLIR we have everything covered What gen are you using Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeansy Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 What gen are you using basically i cant discuss anything that isnt public or available on the internet for general access ive been bitten on the ass before because of this, without going into detail its a minimum of gen 3 the stuff we use is general service issue, which is our head set (NVG) night weapon sight (NWS) night aiming device (NAD) and various IR markers if you google project ninox there is some info on ADF night vision but the details are limited for reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncs Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Very cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philski1 Posted December 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Has anyone used the NV that attaches to your normal scope?????????? Im after NV for shots from 50m-100m on dogs and foxes any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann81 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Theres onwe called a PS22 which fits onto the scope so you dont have to rezero Look on www.nvt.com.au Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worm Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 You can tell us, we wont tell anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncs Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 I know its not night vision but I'm watching the cricket and I've always been bloody impressed with the "hotspot" infrared camera and what it can detect! So, Matt, do you use any IR stuff at work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeansy Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 I know its not night vision but I'm watching the cricket and I've always been bloody impressed with the "hotspot" infrared camera and what it can detect!So, Matt, do you use any IR stuff at work? we have the mil version called FLIR- forward looking infra red but once again im under constraints on details but the system we have is along the lines of this one http://www.gs.flir.com/products/maritime/ we can use this as a stand alone or slave into our main weapon system its a great piece of kit, its just like the cricket version, we can see hot spots like where the engine room is, see people walking around on deck or under cover of tarps and thru rain and fog or haze were normal vision is impaired plus the beauty of it like how they use it on tv, we can see our rounds inflight and or impact point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncs Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Wow! Very cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj7hawk Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Has anyone used the NV that attaches to your normal scope??????????Im after NV for shots from 50m-100m on dogs and foxes any suggestions? 50 to 100m on dogs isn't unreasonable... You can do that with Gen1 with a good IR lamp. You can also buy Gen1 in from outside of Australia and it's not significantly affected by the US ITAR laws or Australian laws that support it. If you're clever and know how to adapt a warsaw pact rail to your rifle, there are some very cheap 1PN34 russian scopes which are a three-stage cascade Gen1 scope. These perform about as well as Gen2 though have a slightly distorted image. These scopes are passive and will work with moonlight or just starlight even. They are old though, so the risk of getting a bad one is higher. You can add-on a scope to your dayscope - this is kind of like the ford vs holden debate within the NV community... There are dedicated and add-on. I've tried with a Gen1 and it needs a LOT of infrared light to work acceptably, but it does work. The cheapest way to do this well is with a Gen2 monocular. You can buy one from the US ( no warranty due to ITAR ) for about $3K - and they make great head-mounted scopes as well. You may still need to buy an IR laser for those ranges if there's not enough moonlight however. The PS-22 is a great solution, but costs a lot. All front-add-on devices cost a bit, so rear-add-on is cheaper. ( Aussie snipers use a HUGE front-mounted add-on that sits on top of the scope and uses a periscope to attach to the objective lens ). Rear add-on work OK and see through your dayscope Dedicated scopes are your other option. These are available in Australia but Gen2 is harder to find and some retailers get all funny about selling to the public ( Most NV sellers in Australia are a little hazy on what the law actually is, though I've spoken to a few who understand the situation quite well... NV is legal in Australia for ALL types - if you can get it. ) A little bit about Australian NV. Australian military use Gen2. That's both the Navy and Army. Typically, they use the XD4 and XR5 tubes ( it is public information - though I can understand someone in the forces probably isn't comfortable talking about it ). Officially, Australia calls these Gen2 since we've standardized with US,NZ,UK and Canada on terminology. US Military use Gen3 - The main difference is that Gen3 use a GaAs photocathode which is more sensitive to starlight than the extended-red multi-alkali type used in Gen2. Russia and China and maybe Iran also use Gen3. Europe use Gen2. No one uses Gen4, though they do exist. Gen4 is a GaAs tube with autogating and doesn't have the AlO ion barrier on the microchannel plate. They don't have the longevity to meet current military requirements. Gen5 and Gen6 ( mentioned earlier ) don't exist. The US hasn't written the specification for either of them and last I checked, all current Omnibus contracts were for Gen3. There's not a lot of difference between the latest Gen2/3/4 tubes, so Australia using Gen2 tubes isn't really a significant impediment. Some Gen3 use occurs in aviation due to the requirements to use "approved" devices, most of which are of US manufacture. Australia is one of the few countries that the US will sell Gen3 to and you can buy it new here, but expect to pay around $10K. And a couple of pics to add some colour ( green ) - All dedicated... Not a very good focus, but those cars are at about 120~140m away. This is through a scope I had just upgraded to a Gen3 with a Litton tube. It's not a very clean tube, but it works OK. Conditions are backlit by a streetlamp 50m away. It looks a lot blurrier than it does through the viewfinder, but it's a 3" eye relief scope, so is difficult to take pictures through. Scope zoom 2.5x... Here's a picture I took on the farm when I was down there last. Conditions are a thin sliver of moon behind clouds, so it was too dark to see much with my eyes. Scope is a 4x AN/PVS-4 with the reticle crosshairs turned off. Same scope, wide area power blackout, no moon, some clouds obscuring the stars. Very dark... Couldn't see someone 5m in front of you on this night... It was very dark. Reticle turned on. It's a bit blurry ( bad photo ) but you can see some cars about 80m down the road by starlight. Note: The scope was not mounted on a rifle for any of these shots... I don't take pics through a mounted scope. Anyway, happy to have a chat with anyone about NV... PM me and I'll send you my email address.. I don't sell NV and I'm not a dealer, nor do I have any connection to any dealers... Though I am opinionated David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest caveman Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 i have just purchase a arie 390 from nvt, now i want a bulb for my torch to enhace detection range, where can i get a bulb for my torch and what would i be looking for please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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