Yeah there's cheap LED torches around these days but I'm not sure many were around when I first bought the T5 in 2006, which despite the abuse is still powering on.. but then I've only been on a hunting forum for a short time and seen a lot of stuff bagged out by people that don't actually own the stuff, used the stuff or seen the stuff in action, so I'll wait to see the new gen of laser torches in action for myself before deciding if they are rubbish or not.